Is it Jewish imperialism when the Likud party in 1977 election manifesto said: “Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”?
It is a good point however Likud took 5 dud attempted coalitions before coming back in power. Bibi was about to go on trial for embezzlement. They were not that popular.
Unfortunately while Likud are still not popular, political pundits say the Left would be very unlikely to form a coalition government in the next election.
Likud had become a lot more popular in Israel now that it’s fast tracking the extermination of Palestinians. Which makes sense given that even the most left wing mainstream position there is still pro-Genocide
Admittedly Crikey accidentally made it sound worse by taking it out of context but they may not have had access to the video (which has since been posted in this thread).
Nevertheless, a one-state solution cannot work because Hamas are not seeking what this guest is talking about.
Funny how Hamas’s alleged opposition to the one state solution makes you furiously support genocide and declare that it’s their own fault, but Israel’s actual opposition to the two state solution makes you shrug and go “horrible situation really, guess we have no choice but to exterminate the Palestinians”
Furiously? I am not the one making ad hominem attacks. I am not putting words in your mouth. I declared no such thing. I bring up uncomfortable facts.
There is no such thing as a mainstream political bloc. 5 coalitions were tried and quickly failed resulting in renewed elections before Netanyahu won. There are Left leaning Israeli parties (who value liberalism, unlike Hamas) but I am pretty sure they don’t want to vacate the Levant either which is what these discussions always seem to come down to.
Jews aint leaving. Arabs aint leaving. Get real. I don’t know how they can make it work. Neither of us has a solution.
Furiously? I am not the one making ad hominem attacks. I am not putting words in your mouth.
I bring up uncomfortable facts.
No, you deny the uncomfortable facts while bringing up convenient lies.
I’m not interested in being civil to a genocide denier.
There are Left leaning Israeli parties
Yeah, and they’re also pro-genocide.
Neither of us has a solution.
Your solution seems to be insisting that nothing else is possible except letting the genocide continue, while you endlessly try to divert to blaming Hamas and excusing Israel’s exponentially worse crimes
Listen to the words he actually said
He said ‘for Palestine to be free, from the river to the sea’.
That is a call for Islamic Imperialism, for the end of Israel and the killing of all Israelis including the 20% of Israelis who are Muslim.
He qualified what he meant by that statement in his very next breath. And it very much wasn’t a call for imperialism.
It doesn’t do anyone well to ignore the clearly stated intentions behind somebody’s words.
You are right but it wasn’t in the Crikey article of OP so go maybe easy on the commenter.
Wasn’t it? Okay.
Its Seagoon_@aussie.zone, i hope they know, i know they’re a good person.
Lots of AZ regulars know each other’s views fairly well now. I’s actually surprised this was seagoon’s first comment in this thread tbh.
Is it Jewish imperialism when the Likud party in 1977 election manifesto said: “Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”?
Or does that not count because whataboutism?
It is a good point however Likud took 5 dud attempted coalitions before coming back in power. Bibi was about to go on trial for embezzlement. They were not that popular.
Unfortunately while Likud are still not popular, political pundits say the Left would be very unlikely to form a coalition government in the next election.
Likud had become a lot more popular in Israel now that it’s fast tracking the extermination of Palestinians. Which makes sense given that even the most left wing mainstream position there is still pro-Genocide
No, listen to all the words he said that Palestinian freedom needs to come, not at the expense of other people.
Admittedly Crikey accidentally made it sound worse by taking it out of context but they may not have had access to the video (which has since been posted in this thread).
Nevertheless, a one-state solution cannot work because Hamas are not seeking what this guest is talking about.
And a two state solution cannot work because Israel will not allow it and has basically already made it impossible.
Likud certainly don’t want it unfortunately. Horrible situation.
No mainstream Israeli political block wants it.
Funny how Hamas’s alleged opposition to the one state solution makes you furiously support genocide and declare that it’s their own fault, but Israel’s actual opposition to the two state solution makes you shrug and go “horrible situation really, guess we have no choice but to exterminate the Palestinians”
Furiously? I am not the one making ad hominem attacks. I am not putting words in your mouth. I declared no such thing. I bring up uncomfortable facts.
There is no such thing as a mainstream political bloc. 5 coalitions were tried and quickly failed resulting in renewed elections before Netanyahu won. There are Left leaning Israeli parties (who value liberalism, unlike Hamas) but I am pretty sure they don’t want to vacate the Levant either which is what these discussions always seem to come down to.
Jews aint leaving. Arabs aint leaving. Get real. I don’t know how they can make it work. Neither of us has a solution.
No, you deny the uncomfortable facts while bringing up convenient lies.
I’m not interested in being civil to a genocide denier.
Yeah, and they’re also pro-genocide.
Your solution seems to be insisting that nothing else is possible except letting the genocide continue, while you endlessly try to divert to blaming Hamas and excusing Israel’s exponentially worse crimes
Only Zionists could seriously try to claim that “calling for Palestinians to be free = calling for genocide”
Well let’s have a look at how well Jews are doing in other Muslim majority countries shall we?
So calling for Palestinians to be free = calling for genocide, because of unrelated countries.