From the first world war to the invasion of Iraq, left-wing soldiers have questioned our involvement in wars. Yet we rarely hear these dissenting veteran’s voices.

  • Hanrahan@slrpnk.net
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    15 days ago

    b>ecause it’s stupid, pacifism doesn’t lead to less war, it leads to more suffering

    You’ve confised self dence and pacislfism, they are not the same thing. A pacifist will always supoort self defence, like the Palestinians in Gaza,.the Houthi are the only onea defemding them, Ukrianians againt Russia

    Australian’s in Turkey, or in Vietnam or Malaysia etc not so much.

    it’s the equivalent of saying don’t stand up to your bully just let him get away with it, in the end you lose and suffer more

    So you’re argument is that indigenous Australia’s should stull be fightibg against the invasion ? I can onky agree.

    There was a quote by Geronimo who said his biggest mistake was giving up, he said they should have fought on, even if they all died.

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      14 days ago

      A pacifist will always supoort self defence, like the Palestinians in Gaza

      October 7 was not self defense.

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        14 days ago

        It was an act of resistance within decades of besiegement and massacres by settlers. The situation was not peaceful beforehand, we cannot isolate that event and pretend it was sudden and unexpected. It’s fine to be critical of how it fought, but it was certainly an act of desperate national self defense against colonial settlement.

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          14 days ago

          Yes we can isolate it. And it was “peaceful” in Gaza (not in WB). All Jewish settlers were forced out of Gaza by Israel decades earlier.

          Israel isn’t going anywhere despite the Hamas “From the river to the sea…” delusion.

          Palestinians aren’t going anywhere either but now we have extreme right wingers in Israel adopting a similar catchphrase thanks to Oct 7. Hamas played into the hands of the Likud fascists.

          Neither population is vacating the Levant. That is the starting point for any resolution. Not 1967 or 1945 or 885BCE.